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jsuam
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   Posted: 14 July 2007 at 9:19pm |
dont take this the wrong way, but coming from a country like england or america or even italy or france or something is very different to coming from a country like iraq or pakistan...
the government seems to have issues with people who arent from the more 'prestigious' (wrong word but couldnt think of the right one) countries and thats what i dont like...not everyone is given a fair go.
i had the same thing...i lived in france for a year in 2001 and we had to go through the whole citizenship process and all that. but i can almost guarantee, without the evidence of experience, that i - coming from australia - had a much easier time gaining that status than someone who may go to france having come from iraq or somewhere like that...
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~Jac~
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Posted: 14 July 2007 at 10:01pm |
Sure - and i think that that kind of discrimination is wrong - but there's nothing wrong with providing mandatory education in english and the basic framework of how our country works - In fact thats the right thing to do all round
insentive for people to actually attend the classes - Citizenship when they pass! that doesn't mean they need to know everything about the country but at least they know the language, the value of a dollar and how to have their say in an election
- see how that helps them and not us??
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jsuam
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 10:45am |
yeah ok i get what you mean and i agree.
i think there was a misunderstanding back there but thats ok :)
discriminating over people who know less about australia simply because of where they have come from is completely and utterly wrong.
its not their fault.
and i agree that upon entering the country they need to know enough to get them through life in aus. enrolling to vote and voting itself (or at least getting your name marked off at the voting booth) is mandatory here so they would need to know enough to get them through that.
if they get a job they need to know the value of the dollar and also so that they can buy food and education etc.
but i think the government is just going to make it harder and harder, therefore letting less and less people into the country.
and when you think about it, its not like we're pushed for space!!
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~Jac~
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:54pm |
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Yeah - i think the government is afraid of having to support people who can't get on in Australia because they can't speak english or deal with money
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butterfly
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 1:43pm |
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this was the test for people from america and england, it doesn't say that it would be used on people from other countries, so safe to say most refugees wouldn't be faced with these questions. my biggest gripe about these questions is that the questions themselves are stupid, and that the options for answers are not really accurate in some cases, and are hopelessly idealistic.
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jsuam
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 1:46pm |
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and i think you just described many of the governments decisions in a nutshell...
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criket01
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 2:10pm |
Originally posted by unwritten01
The idea of a citizenship test to me is very stupid. Immigratians move to australia for the purpose of a better life, soemthing new and differnet and most, after a few days of arriving here, need to find a job, need to find accomadation and sometimes it takes years...depending on the skills and background they have, to actually get their life back on track
this doesnt really leave them much time to sit down and learn australian history, and yes I do admit, I thought our national flower was the waratah =[
Its just not pratical
nah, the waratah is NSW flower....
i totally agree that the idea of a citezenship test is completely idiotic! i mean, they should be sitting a basic English test... when have you encountered anyone on the street demanding to know what our national flower is? At least if our immigrants know English, they can make a life here more easily! i mean their resume if the only the thing did was that icitizenship test would look like this..
Skills: knows Australia's national flower. Do you want to play criket sometime?
 its a stupid test
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Smithers
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 6:19am |
ok,
i dont totally agree with the test, but if i were wanting to be a citizen of a country i would like to know a bit about the country i was going to become the citizen of. but the history stuff is kinda useless.
But i think if they are going to have a test it should be an english speaking test, because in my opinion if you are going to live in a country you should obviously know the language, im not saying that people becoming citizens must drop their language and speak english but they should AT LEAST know the basics so they can " fit in" better with society.
And really those questions werent THAT hard, im not an aussie but i still got most right..........
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greeno
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 12:25am |
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It's not a matter of their difficulty, it's a matter of their relevance and the attitude toward immigration that they promote.
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Cailin
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Posted: 27 July 2007 at 6:26pm |
Originally posted by Smithers
.... but the history stuff is kinda useless....
i wouldnt say it was useless Smithers. its usefull to understand whats happened in the past to determine what could happen in the future and why.
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butterfly
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Posted: 27 July 2007 at 10:55pm |
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...but there is no reason for it to be a pre-requisite for entering out country...
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Cailin
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Posted: 29 July 2007 at 2:55pm |
true butterfly... good point.
but surely its a good idea to have some knowledge about it. allthough i agree it shouldnt be used in dertermining who can enter the country.
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